Both pairs have the tiniest hard to see defects. They were shipped to me like this I have never worn. Please see pictures with white circles to see the defects. Lipgloss color are HR 6”. The black ones are HR 8” Logo. The defect on the lipgloss color shorts is on the front on the top of the shorts. The defect on the black shorts is on the back on the top. Both shorts are size 8.