These are mens 7 or Wmns 8.5 but are my wives, and she's had them for a while and has wore them randomly and taken care of them. They are in good preowned condition and shows minimal signs of wear. Wore with crease protectors so there's no creasing. Flaws are pictured, so please see all pics for overall condition. These are not new, but they are still a nice preowned pair of 4s. Poshmark estimated sale is $83.00 Send me a reasonable offer.