Vintage Illig Raver Pants, Rare, Black The waist is 16 inches laying flat. The rise is 8.5 inches Pants are legitimate vintage Illig, and were manufactured over 20 years ago Check out our other listings for more Vintage Emily the Strange, Ruby Gloom, and Paul Frank in multiple Styles. Sizes and Designs ITEMS ARE FROM MY RETAIL STORE, NOT A PRIVATE HOME