These were purchased on Martha's Vineyard in 1982 and I am finally giving in and posting them. I don't know why they both show as size 12 maybe that's girls? Anyway, I'm roughly an 8P and they're a little snug on me. These are classic and have held up well over time. I don't know why the red one says dry clean only; I have never dry cleaned these. The hem on the red one is starting to come out. I'm an itchy tag cutter so I don't know the brands. Interestingly the pockets are done differently so these are clearly different brands Measurements are in the pictures but please feel free to ask questions. I try not to set the selling price high with the intention of dropping it for likers. That's a little too much work plus I offer a bundle discount! Since these are already bundled the price is really great for two classic skirts. Still make an offer! They are stored in an odor-free dry attic away from our one non-smoking dog. They deserve more life than they are getting from me so I hope that they can be loved by some preppy in your life.