this is a new with tags Nancy Johnson size 12 dress I'm not sure how old it is but the tags are still on it and it's never been worn is a very modest style fit and flare flares out a lot on the bottom very flowy with long sleeves the measurements when laying flat are 19.5 in from pit to pit and the length from the shoulders down is 52 in it does have shoulder pads but you could very easily remove them they are just attached with strings the retail price on this was $255 and this was I'm sure many years ago.