Caroline Issa, and Nordstrom signature black dress pants size 12, nice, smooth, cool fabric, excellent, preowned except see the pictures there was repaired at the hemline hard to see looking at them, but focusing in you can see it, waist across measures 17.5 inches, rise measures 11 inches, inseam measures 28.5 inches, they have a little stretch to them, excellent preowned except for the hemline repair. Price reflective Also, a pair of Lafayette 148 black size 12 dress pants, they are missing the inner button easily added this lot of two is marked down for quick sales with the flaws reflected, which are not much, the Lafayette 148 pan waist across measures 18.5 inches, rise measures.11”, inseam measures 31 inches