**FYI, will have a vacation hold from 9/28 to 9/8 since I’m unable to ship while away** Freda Salvador Elba Penny Loafers in Espresso, size 8.5. Currently sold out in this size. These are last year’s version (Fall 2022). Only selling them because I purchased this year’s version. Measures approximately 11” in length. IMO, these would fit a true size 8.5. My right foot is more of a size 9 while my left is an 8.5, so this size fit the best for me. I ordered both the 9 and 8.5 to try when I bought these last year, and the 9 was too big. Can be worn with thin loafer socks or sock-less. I did take these to the cobbler, who added additional shoe protectors to the heel (the other stick-on protectors I added myself) and sewed a thin strip of fabric to the right side of the right shoe where it came loose (again, because my right foot is bigger than my left). I tried my best to photograph that. The right side of the right shoe near my big toe is also more worn in/stretched out because it’s my bigger foot, but the seams aren’t coming loose One of my favorite fall/winter shoes. They elevate any casual fit, which I found really useful for “dressing up” the clothes I wear to work. Any questions, feel free to comment. Crossposted